This is my last post on Sweatt-Gate. That’s my intention, at least. I’ve got plenty else to devote my attention to. However, here are what I hope will be some final musings…
I’m glad that the FBFI addressed the issue (here) rather than ignoring it altogether. Several leaders whom I respect a great deal think they did a masterful job with it. For my part, I was disappointed. I wish their statement had been more forthright. I’m not trying to throw the FBFI under the bus. I appreciate it very much, and many of the pastors and educators I most admire are within its ranks. Indeed, I’ve benefited from the ministries of the men who wrote the statement, and I thank the Lord for them. So I write as a friend, not a foe.
My disappointment, however, was that the statement didn’t address the issue or Pastor Sweatt specifically, despite the fact that the message was given at one of the FBFI’s official meetings by an FBFI member. Instead, they made a very general statement saying that Calvinism is non-issue in the fellowship (which I understand) and that people (all people) should be kind and accurate, whether they are in the pulpit or at the computer. Hard to argue with that, I suppose. But what does it mean? Is it a subtle correction of Pastor Sweatt? Of Bob Bixby? Of me? Of Sharper Iron commenters? Of Kevin Bauder? Of anyone that addressed the issue? It’s impossible to say. The statement is vague enough that people can read it however they want. Some will take it as a rebuke of the message, and others as a rebuke of the critiques. Perfect—everybody will be happy. I guess. But it doesn’t “own” the problem. There’s an appearance that the FBFI is disconnected from the whole thing, above it all. It addresses bloggers who aren’t associated with the FBFI and don’t speak on its behalf on the same level with its own member and meeting, as if all involved are guilty and as if the FBFI has the same relationship with everyone. I disagree on both counts. I was speaking only for me, but Pastor Sweatt was speaking on behalf of the FBFI, or at least with its endorsement. Thus, their response seems a bit like the parents of a child who broke a neighbor’s window offering that neighbor a pseudo-apology that amounts to “We’ve always been against breaking windows in this neighborhood, by children and adults alike, and we still are.” That’s admirable, and it’s good to know, but…O well.
More importantly, whether or not the FBFI addresses this further (and they may have little to gain by doing so, as young guys probably won’t be lining up to join one way or the other), I do hope that fundamentalists and fundamentalist institutions (e.g. schools and camps) in general are paying attention. A growing number of fundamentalists are tired of shoot-from-the-hip “preaching,” with misrepresentations of evangelicals, and with an adversarial suspicion of theology. Don’t make the mistake of attributing the frustration to a few online cranks, most of whom have already left fundamentalism or are preparing to do so. That’s not true. I heard from mainstream fundamentalists of various ages—men associated with large fundamental churches (some notably un-Calvinistic), with GFA, with the OBF, with Northland, with BJU, with Clearwater, with DBTS, with Central, with Kids4Truth and other newer ministries, and with the FBFI itself. Some expressed their disagreement publicly; many more did not. But if you’re paying attention, there’s a definite “we’ve had it with this sort of nonsense” sentiment that, even if absent from the FBFI’s statement, exists elsewhere—and not just among those who are heading for the door. I think that’s a very good thing.
The big lesson? Put into your institutional, conference, camp, and church pulpits men who will handle the Scriptures with integrity. We want to see Christ. We want to hear the Word preached clearly, accurately, and fervently. Please.
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Chris,
I respectfully, I hope, disagree.
The statement did not blame anybody but those who violated biblical instructions about communication. I think it is a strength, not a fault, to not have named names. Kevin Bauder did not think that they were addressing him because he did not use caricatures or make personal attacks. Only those bloggers who did such things should feel rebuked by their statement. It would seem like a fool’s errand to start composing lists of who fits that description and who doesn’t. Do we need them to make explicit for us what we ought to be able to do ourselves?
I wonder, too, given your earlier admission of positive regard for Pastor Sweatt, if you would have been able to predict what would happen in that message? I doubt it. Yet, somehow the FBFI has become complicit in his message in the way a parent is responsible for a child?
No need to reply. We just disagree.
Dave,
I know we disagree. I knew it before I posted, and it gave me pause, as I have a high regard for you.
I don’t blame the FBFI for having a message that, in hindsight, they regret. It’s going to happen. But had it been preached at the MACP which you host, though it wouldn’t be your fault, I think I know you well enough to assume that you’d come out and say “While I have a longstanding relationship with Pastor Sweatt and count him as a friend, make no mistake—I disagree with that message. It doesn’t represent me, DBTS, or MACP.” Or something like that.
Per our conversations, I do believe we agree on the last paragraph of the post, anyway, and it doesn’t always happen. This is as good a time as any to ask that it would. Yes? :)
Doesn’t that “yes” imply that you would have known in advance that this kind of message would be preached? Seems so to me. So, by all means ask, but your request is probably guilty of the same “genericness” as the FBF statement. Who, after all, would say they are deliberately inviting people who handle the Scriptures with a lack of integrity, etc. You’re going to have to spell this out for us, Chris, because we just can’t figure it out by ourselves. (sarcasm notice).
You’re right. All’s well. Invitations are always given on the basis of the invitee’s reputation as an expositor. (sarcasm notice)
Well said, Chris, and I agree completely. I, too, was disappointed by the FBFI response.
For what it’s worth, I found the FBFI statement to be positive. But I am not a YF.
They have a number of problems: the mentality that led to the message, the message itself, the muted response to the message, and (most important, possibly) the fact that YF’s see no reason to be part of the FBF as it stands.
Does an adequate solution exist that would prevent the FBF from either dwindling into extinction in its current incarnation or splitting into extinction?
Does it matter?
Dr Bauder in his most recent “Nick of Time” (Just received it about 10 min ago) called the statement a good intermediate step.
“When John Vaughn and Brad Smith put their names to the statement on the FBFI website, they were not only distancing themselves from Pastor Sweatt. They were also distancing themselves from the ghosts left by a particular philosophy of leadership. Most importantly, they were distancing themselves from a small but noisy element within the fundamentalism of today. For Vaughn and Smith to publish this statement took grace and courage. We need to give credit where credit is due.
One week ago I said that the leadership of the FBFI could not afford to ignore this problem. I urged them to speak up and to clarify where the boundaries of fundamentalist fellowship really lie. The leadership did what they needed to do for this moment. They took a step that was intermediate but adequate.
My response?
’Nuff said.”
Jim, Dr. Bauder’s one of the men I mentioned in the second paragraph whom I respect and who have expressed their appreciation of the statement.
Count me in as one who was hoping for a stronger statement. As a general statement it was fine. Who would disagree with it? But as a statement made in response to a particular incident at an FBFI event, it leaves more questions asked than answered. For example, they say that, “in any disagreement, we must represent one another fairly and treat one another charitably.” Well, there was a disagreement presented at the FBFI meeting. Was that particular disagreement represented fairly and charitably? Was that message an example of such a treatment? The FBFI statement doesn’t say.
The manner of disagreement with Calvinism was not the only problem that needed to be addressed, either. The issue of excusing the downright despicable actions of men such as Jack Hyles and Bob Gray because they were great soulwinners should have been condemned. It wasn’t. Frankly, as someone who is a committed Fundamental Baptist and who would like to see the objectives of the FBFI advanced, I was fairly disappointed by the response.
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Jim Peet said, “For what it’s worth, I found the FBFI statement to be positive. But I am not a YF.”
That’s a stereotype that I’m abandoning now — especially after this debacle. The number of “old fundamentalists” that have contacted me personally with supportive words has been the biggest shocker of the whole week for me. As it turns out, old guys don’t like bad preaching either. And its “old guys” that are writing me privately to say that they agree with my soft criticism of Bauder’s response (and Anderson’s statement here). I never was a real fan of the YF/OF distinction anyway, but I’ve learned one thing this week: I have friends in both groups. . . Enemies too!
Chris, your instincts are right. You’re dead on target.
I guess the disclaimer by the FBFI was a good thing. I question what they really mean by it. They all know Sweatt. He is as much a part of the FBFI as they are associated with him. My fear is that these are just token words being used to keep the funding to the FBFI flowing from the Reformed friends. Since The Wilds hosted this event you would think that they also would comment on it. What drives me insane is Independent Fundamentalist Baptists leaders love to use the guilt by association argument. If that is the case then the FBFI and The Wilds are guilty by association. I have great respect for The Wilds and its people. I think they do a good work. However, since they hosted the event they need to say something.
The Independent Fundamentalist Baptists Churches were concieved by a movement. At some point you have to be a church and not merely a movement. It is time for the Fundamentalist Baptists to get back to being churches and not always trying to be a movement. If they fail to excercise the role and duty of the church their influence will continue to wane.
When you try to please everybody, nobody ends up being happy. That is apparently what is happening here.
Two points to be made very quickly. One, the FBFI is made up of pastors and other individuals not churches. As an independent, fundamental church we will not join any movement. Loyaly should be to the Lord and then our local church which is the pillar and ground of the truth ( not the local university by the way.)
Second, we must give each other some room on these issues. Why do we find it so easy to attack each other? It seems as though many take glee in pointing out other people’s mistakes. I guess as a young fundamentalist I am sick of fighting and arguing, I just want our movement to see the power of God. I long for the day when God’s Spirit sends true revival to each of us and thus to the FBFI. I pray for each of us that our heart would be right with God and our attitude would be one of compassion and humility for one another.
Chris,
This may sound a little on the elementary side for all the deep theologians out there, but what do we consider the fundamentals of the faith? Are we referring to the five basic fundamentals? Is separation a fundamental of the faith? Is someone’s belief of the end times a fundamental? When we say we are fundamentalists do we start at the same basic place of understanding or are we using a term that means different things to different people? Just some food for thought?
“[T]heir response seems a bit like the parents of a child who broke a neighbor’s window offering that neighbor a pseudo-apology that amounts to ‘We’ve always been against breaking windows in this neighborhood, by children and adults alike, and we still are.’ That’s admirable, and it’s good to know, but…O well.”
Perfect analogy. When I read the response on their web site, my first thought was, “Well, that was lame.” It gave me the sense that they just want this problem to disappear without any disruption to the status quo, whatever that is. It sounded like something that would be said by a politician addressing a controversy within his own party at a news conference.
http://aborrowedlight.wordpress.com/2009/06/01/hello-world/
Hi Chris,
the above posted on my blog I believe to be noteworthy. thot I’d share it with you and others.
thanks,
MarkO