My Two Cents on Joe Zichterman’s Departure

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I listened to Joe Zichterman’s “Why I Joined Willow Creek” lecture last evening, and I was extremely disappointed. Joe was a friend of mine at BJU, and I’ve been disappointed with his decision to dive into charismatic emergent easy-believism. Still, I figured that this lecture would at least give a well-reasoned explanation for his doctrinal changes. Not so. I was as disappointed with the lecture and reasoning as with the decision to join Willow Creek.

The blogosphere runs the risk of inviting over-analysis of decisions and events which are personal in nature. That said, since Joe has broadcast the reason for his change of heart in a public forum, and especially since he is appealing to those in fundamental settings to join him in his decision, I think his lecture deserves to be considered and answered. With that in mind, I offer the following observations of Joe’s lecture.

1. I was amazed at the lack of theological and biblical reasoning for his change.

Joe barely cites Scripture during the lecture. The few times he does, his interpretations are horrific (as in his closing quotation of Gamaliel, his opening the door to ongoing theological discoveries, his sweeping gender role texts under the “historical context” rug, and his astounding claim—or threat—that suing a Christian institution for damages to one’s reputation and career is a viable option, I Corinthians 6 notwithstanding). Rather than bringing Scripture to bear on the issue, Joe perpetually leans on his own experience and insights regarding marriage, egalitarianism, how spiritual gifts complement each other, how people have different “pathways of intimacy with God” (intellectual study, worship music, high-powered leadership, evangelism), the phases of recovery from spiritual abuse, etc. That’s not to say that Joe doesn’t cite authority outside of himself, just that he doesn’t cite biblical authority. While the Bible remains closed, we do get a wide variety of authoritative references:

  • Joe quotes church growth, leadership and marriage specialists such as Rick Warren, Bill Hybels, Bruce Bugbee, John Ortberg, Stephen Arterburn, George Barna, and Peter Wagner repeatedly, as though their opinions are sufficient evidence of a point’s validity.
  • Joe references Watchman Fellowship (a ministry for those who have been spiritually abused by cults and the like) repeatedly.
  • Joe references movies (especially “The Village” and “Population 436″) repeatedly.
  • Joe even works in references to Christian fiction author Beverly Lewis.

Listen to the lecture again and see if this point doesn’t hit you in the face: Joe has been moved not by Scripture or theology, but by best-selling books and emotional movies. The statement “Bill Hybels says” is made often. While Joe quotes leaders and movies, Scripture is conspicuously absent. That’s just sad. In fact, it’s embarrassing.

Speaking of the lack of theological and biblical reasoning, I don’t think the leap Joe made is as huge as it may seem. Moving from fundamentalist easy-believism to left-wing evangelical easy-believism really isn’t shocking. I’m not sure Joe’s theology had to change a bit. Indeed, he may just be taking a man-centered soteriology to its logical end. The point is, Hyles and Hybels are separated by only 72 miles, 1 letter and even fewer doctrinal distinctives. Their philosophy of ministry is quite similar. In a sense, Joe’s just being consistent with his soteriology.

2. I was amazed at the vitriol with which he spoke.

The burr in Joe’s saddle isn’t hard to discern. Somehow, the second half of a lecture portending to be an explanation for his joining Willow Creek turned into a “beat the fundamentalist piñata” party. (I’m still trying to figure out how a discussion of non-accredited institutions fits under the topic “Why I Joined Willow Creek.”) I felt embarrassed, not so much for fundamentalism as for Joe. Honestly, I blushed for him during the second half of the lecture, which was big on rhetoric and innuendo and small on substance. He deals with fundamentalism under the dubious heading of “cults, sects and high control groups.” He makes over-the-top comparisons of fundamentalists to Amish groups, Mormon polygamists who sexually abuse children(!), Jehovah’s Witnesses, rabid dogs, and others. The fact that Joe’s fundamentalist roots are even compared to these groups suggests that he has an axe to grind.

What was especially painful to hear was Joe’s obvious lack of objectivity and self-awareness: what he accuses “high control groups” (read, fundamentalists) of are the very things he does in the presentation—failure to confront biblically and privately, character assassination or discrediting, impugning of motives, pious smearing in which an unnamed but obvious villain is criticized, spinning so that you look like you’re taking the high road, etc. He throws out accusations of “boys’ clubs” and “schoolyard bullies” and “intimidation” and “lying.” He suggests that some fear that if they leave a high control group they’ll “go to hell”(!). Joe’s pseudo-humble disclaimers (”I don’t mean to hurt anybody” or “I don’t have any particular group in mind”) don’t veil a tragically bitter rant.

Remember, this was no off-the-cuff conversation. Joe wasn’t sharing his opinion over a casual lunch with a personal friend. This was a well-thought-out, carefully articulated lecture at an institution known for its academic credibility. It was unworthy of a man with the training of Joe Zichterman. It was unworthy of an institution with the reputation of TEDS.

3. I was amazed at the pervasive language of victimization.

The language of “spiritual abuse” and “victimization” permeates the presentation. Whatever else Joe says, the idea of religious oppression is never far from his mind. These aren’t laughing matters, obviously, but the second half of the lecture sounded more like Dr. Phil than a lecture explaining a theological flip-flop.

Frustratingly, the language of victimization isn’t limited to Joe. Several bloggers have spoken in sympathetic terms which give the impression that poor Joe was pushed into his theological sell-out. It’s time for us to grow up and allow—or better, require—individuals to be responsible for their own actions. Joe is not the first guy to be hurt by leadership, whether within fundamentalism or without. He won’t be the last, as unfortunate as that fact is. But to insinuate that fundamentalism is somehow holding a smoking gun because a guy threw himself over the theological ledge is way, way, way out of line. Sure, fundamentalism needs to improve, and it needs to weigh the criticisms of even its severest critics to see if they contain some truth. However, fundamentalists also need to have the discernment and bravery to call a spade a spade. Whatever the circumstances behind Joe’s departure, it’s not justified; he’s not a victim; fundamentalism isn’t to blame for a guy abandoning ship not only for evangelicalism, but for evangelicalism’s left wing.

As I said earlier, Joe was a friend of mine when we were at BJU. I’d like to continue to be his friend, our differences notwithstanding. But the idea that personal tragedies and grievances can move a professor and pastor with significant training to make wholesale theological shift is unsettling at best. As Bob Bixby notes, though Joe’s philosophy has been all over the map during the last decade, his offering himself as an authoritative voice critiquing movements has been consistent. Joe’s own instability doesn’t commend his spiritual and ecclesiastical conclusions.

Again, I think fundamentalists should be willing to learn from Joe’s lecture. Perhaps the greatest lesson learned, however, is not about accreditation or separation, but about leadership. Joe is not the first young man to be thrust into a place of leadership in a Christian college, only to make a significant theological/philosophical shift. Perhaps we shouldn’t be so quick to lay our hands on winsome leaders. Perhaps we should value substance, not just style. The fact that Joe’s lecture is so devoid of biblical content doesn’t speak well of him or the movement which gave him a fair amount of prominence.

Whether or not it’s a sad day for fundamentalism, it’s a sad day for Joe Zichterman and his family.

28 Responses to “My Two Cents on Joe Zichterman’s Departure”

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  2. Thanks for sharing this, Chris. I must say that your careful, balanced, and well-written evaluation is worth far more than two cents. You have done a service to the Christian community with this helpful piece of writing. Thank you!

    Have you thought about sharing this with Joe?

    Your readers may find this compilation of Fundamentalist responses helpful: Former Fundamentalist Explains Why He Joined Willow Creek.

    Blessings,

    Phil

  3. Thanks for bringing this into biblical perspective rather than focusing on the person and places.
    Pearson

  4. Chris,

    Good response. You must be a good preacher because you limited yourself to three main points. I was would not have been able to limit myself to just three if it was me writing the critique.

    One thing that is puzzling to me is how this was a legitimate topic to present at TEDS. What class did he do this for? Was he graded on this? I don’t understand the context.

  5. Andy, from what I understand, Joe is reading the notes from a lecture he delivered to a master’s level Church History class. Apparently he’s a Teaching Assistant. If I get a clearer indication of the setting, I’ll let you know.

  6. Chris, I sorta got that, too. But doesn’t it seem like an odd paper to present in a Church History class? I can hardly conceive of a context in which it would be appropriate in a history class.

  7. Andy, you misunderstood me. I said it was presented in a history class. I said nothing about it being appropriate.

    (Kidding…kinda.)

  8. I know nothing re the situation, nor do I wish to become involved in the discussion. My only addition here is to say, “Wow, Pastor Chris!” Not only are you a great preacher of the Word (those mp3’s are great!), defender of the Gospel, but your writing is awesome, too. Thank you for your attention to detail, biblical defense, and absence of personalizing the debate re this gentleman.

    You have done a wonderful service to guys like me when I read your article here: challenging issues based on Scripture. I will be praying for this guy in his apparant shift towards something I, as a layperson, would have serious issues with. You just can’t flip-flop on the Gospel. Period. Souls are at stake. May God be with the folks in the movement of “fundamentalism” who are involved in this. I like your approach. Thanks.

    Keep up the great writing! I envision a Doctoral degree in the near future?

  9. Chris,

    Thank you for this article!

    Jim

  10. This was not a paper given at Trinity, this was a perspective on an aspect of American Church history for the class American Church History….he was supposed to discuss the history of the Church Growth Movement but….

  11. [...] My friend Chris Anderson does a masterful job of this in his criticism of Joe Zichterman on his blog and I highly recommend the read. [...]

  12. Sad to say I saw this coming ever since I have read the comments of the self-styled leaders of Young Fundamentalism on the “Duller Iron” forum. As they don’t believe in rules or absolutes and everything is just a question of subjective opinion outside of John 3:16 it is no wonder Dr Joe has headed in the direction he went. I don’t see it as a betrayal just someone going to where his natural home is. The real betrayal is those who stay in Fundamentalism yet are secretly Neo-Evangelical.

    On a more positive note, I have just finished listening to Chris Anderson’s message on the Sword and the Trowel. I honestly think that is about as good a sermon as I have heard from a Young Fundamentalist in years. Militant but magnificent. Keep it up Chris and they will be burning you at the stake at “Duller Iron” soon.

  13. Has anyone else noticed how the Joe thread was immediately closed at 20 pages. Lately I’ve seen many threads at SI allowed to go several pages past the 20. This time it was shut with no comment, no “last word” announcement or anything. Thanks to Chris, Bob, and others that are actually writing about this from the Scriptures instead of from emotions.

  14. Jerry, I’m not sure where you heard that. Maybe the lecture in question was used in both contexts, but here is how the lecture starts:
    http://www.lifeoffaithministry.com/Audio/Why_I_Joined_Willow_Creek_Community_Church.mp3
    “The following reading is an edited and expanded version of a lecture given at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School on April 23rd, 2007.”

  15. Or do you mean it was not a paper given AT TRINITY or not a paper but a lecture?

  16. Joy, I think Jerry’s point is that it was a lecture given in a small class (as opposed to a more formal address given at the school’s request) and that it wandered significantly from the assigned topic. In other words, D. A. Carson didn’t set up a lecture for all of TEDS and the evangelical world to hear Joe’s Damascus road experience. I’m not trying to be unkind with the clarification, but if one has the perception that this was anything more than a Teaching Assistant covering a church history class, that perception is inaccurate.

    I should note, however, that the fact that he was supposed to address the history of the Church Growth Movement does make his consistent citing of Hybels, Warren, Wagner and others more understandable.

  17. BTW, let’s leave SI out of the discussion from here on out, please.

    And no, Dale, there is not a doctorate in my foreseeable future—earned or otherwise. Thanks for your kind comment, though.

  18. Good article, Chris. I think you handled the situation with grace and truth. I appreciate you, brother.

    Matt

  19. Chris:

    From reading your evaluation it seems to me that Joe may have been doing all he could to demonize Fundamentalism in a sort of attempt to internally further legitimize his departure from it.

    Just my opinion.

    LM

  20. Chris,
    Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I listented to this a few days ago and have been puzzled ever since. I got to know Joe one summer at the Wilds, but I can’t say that I know him as much as you guys do. I’ve always thought well of him and have appreciated his music. I particularly remember his working with us as the counsellor’s choir (J. Janz and Ellis Murphree and others were all there). He had his own arrangement of “Keep on the Firing Line.” It was well received every week by the campers and we thoroughly enjoyed singing it (and a few of his other songs). He had a great influence on me for Christ. He always had scripture on his tongue and the grace of Christ in his actions. (Oh, and he took us all “to town” in hoops.) I haven’t had contact with him over the past decade, so this was a surprise to me.
    I don’t fully understand the details, but I pray that we all will learn what God has for us in this and that He, alone, will be glorified.

  21. Well said, Chris. I appreciate the synopsis and evaluation.

    Jim

  22. Your review of the lecture was “spot on” Chris. Several thoughts came to my mind after hearing his lecture and reading your response to it. The painful error that he is now employing seems to be nothing more than his pride that has taken a few big blows. Your comments about the issue of his doctorate also come well into play. And by that I mean it is being played well by Satan himself. I have known several young men in the ministry that have earned a doctorate and some with an honorary one. The difficult thing for the honorary is how much glory comes before the age and wisdom to know how to handle it. They end up blowing it bigtime somehow. It is painful to watch.

  23. I am so glad to have found your site, very fine writing indeed; so refreshing. And you’re a pastor too. I didn’t know anything of this issue, or man, but found related article on Current Christian and linked from your comment here. Perhaps a very small observation: this is one of the tradeoffs of formal Christian education. We get many who are called by their own ambition, but not called of God. They earn a calling card, however, much esteemed; and the notoriety they obtain sometimes results in the way of truth being evil spoken of.

    Thanks again so very much for taking time to supply your skill, your wit, and your brilliance for a resource to the household of faith,

    God continue to bless you (and your very beautiful family),

    David
    TheNewsBeats.com

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  25. Hey Chris!

    I appreciate your clear words on this. It is sad to hear about the direction Joe is taking. The confusion of Willow Creek has left its mark here in Europe too. I pray Joe will be unsucessful in drawing people into this movement, and will reconsider his position biblically.

    Thank you for defending the faith and holding the ropes with boldness in the USA.

    Stan Shelton
    Vienna, Austria

  26. Thank you Chris for taking time to expose the theological deficiency behind the stated why’s of Joe’s departure. Objective truth has been abandoned. “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable…” (2 Timothy 3:16). Let us pray for this dear man and his family as they are being swept along by contrary doctrinal winds and choosing a course not grounded in the authority of God’s word. A friend gone astray is a piercing reminder to speak the truth in love (Eph. 4:15) while earnestly contending for the faith (Jude 1:3); to maintain a worship that is both spirit and truth (John 4:24), and that we might charge some that they teach no other doctrine (1 Tim. 1:3) - while the goal of our charge is, love out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: from which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling, desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm (1 Tim. 1:5-7). Let us be men of the Word and not easily shaken since we have been warned that a root of bitterness springing up has the potential to defile many (Hebrews 12:5). Stand firm. Thank you again for your concise analysis. SLH

  27. Chris,

    I appreciate your insight into this matter with Joe. It is always sad to hear of someone that you know of being led away into falsehood. The resolve to pray for Joe and our faithfulness to the truth burns stronger after reading and hearing all of this.

    Thanks Chris,
    Kevin

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